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tv   Way Too Early With Willie Geist  MSNBC  September 8, 2011 5:30am-6:00am EDT

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gingrich accused last night of being quote, committed to bureaucratic socialism. i'm glad you're watching us or listening live on sirius xm radio, shoot me an email or tweet me at willie geist or do what rocking rick santorum does, text the word awake followed by your response at 622639. we'll read the best responses later. the next 30 minutes will be your cram session for this thursday, september 8th. a lot to show you, including rick perry name-checking gail lay yoe in his critique of climate change science. where he is he now? probably the same place we found him a few years ago, ripping smokes while wearing a leather jacket. first the news. last night, eight republican presidential hopefuls met at the ronald reagan library in
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california for the nbc news/politico presidential debate. all eyes on rick perry. as the field's new front-runner in recent polls, perry repeatedly clashed with massachusetts governor, former massachusetts governor, mitt romney. one of the most heated exchange came regarding perry's remarks regarding social security. >> it is a ponzi scheme. to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years old today, you're paying into a program that's going to be there, anybody that's for the status quo was with social security today is involved with a monstrous lie to our kids. and it's not right. >> our nominee has to be someone who isn't committed to abolishing social security, but who is committed to saving social security. we have always had at the heart of our party, a recognition that we want to care for those in need. and our seniors have the need of social security. >> you cannot keep the status quo in place and not call it anything other than a ponzi scheme.
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it is. that is what it is, americans know that. and regardless of what anyone says, oh, it's not and that's provocative language. maybe it's time to have some provocative language in this country. >> perry and romney continue to spar when discussing their records on job creation in their respective states. perry said he created more jobs in the last three months in texas than romney did. >> the states are different, texas is a great state. texas has zero income tax. texas has a right 0 work state. a republican legislature, a republican supreme court. texas has a lot of oil and gas in the ground. those are wonderful things. but governor perry doesn't believe that he created those things. if he tried to say that, it would be like al gore saying he created the internet. >> michael dukakis created jobs three times fast ever than you did, mitt. >> george bush and his predecessor created jobs at a
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faster rate than you did, governor. >> even michael dukakis created more jobs than romney. michel minnesota congresswoman michele bachmann attacked president obama's health care law. >> as a nominee of the republican party, it will be my business to make sure that i elect also 13 more republican senators who will help me repeal obama care. it must be gone now. and as president of the united states i won't rest until i repeal obama care. >> and tonight, as you know, president obama will lay out his plan for job creation before a joint session of congress. with details of his plan leaking out all week, republican candidates last night united in their attacks against him. >> this is a president so committed to class warfare and so committed to bureaucratic socialism that he can't possibly be effective in jobs. >> we need a president who is going to provide a little bit of
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leadership in giving us some direction and opening up the opportunities. >> this president has got to go. this president is a nice guy, he doesn't have a clue how to get this country working again. >> let's break down last night's debate. we bring in msnbc and "time" magazine senior political analyst and the author of course of "game change" mark halpren. how would he do? >> the race is not revolutionized by what happened. if you're a supporter of rick perry, you saw him more than survive. being aggressive going after mitt romney. but he also had some answers that are creating a lot of buzz about social security and about climate change that he's going to have to work to do better at. where they could become problems for him. >> mark, the social security one seems to be what everybody is focusing on at least this morning. calling it a ponzi scheme, showing it wasn't just a
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throw-away in his book. something he duly believes. how big a problem is that, not just in a general election, but running in a primary while calling social security a ponzi scheme. >> it's a huge problem. older voters don't want to hear that kind of rhetoric. in reality what he means by a ponzi scheme is something that most republicans think. but he didn't address what he thought of the historical value of social security. before it was in bad financial shape. he didn't talk about what he would do to change the plan. didn't do enough to reassure seniors who currently get social security. he wouldn't propose something to change it. and he also was hyperbolic and unapologetic. and even though attitudes about social security have changed, you can't talk about it that way. and survive politically. so i was surprised that he gave that kind of answer. he didn't need to back off saying it's now a ponzi scheme. he did need to do a better job, i think explaining his overall views of the program. >> he absolutely doubled down on
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it. in your grades last night, you gave mitt romney an a, a flat a. did he exceed your expectations last night? >> i don't give a's very easily in my grading of these. but i thought he was nearly error-free. and people had this notion, since romney has fallen behind perry, that perry might come in and steamroll over him. perry was very aggressive going after him. he was smart enough to back off and not engage with perry the rest of the debate in order to try to insure that the social security thing became the big story of the debate. >> you gave michele bachmann a c-minus, it looked like she was trying to elbow her way into the conversation at points. what does her future look like in this race? >> i thought that from the moment perry got in this race that it would be a two-person
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race unless bachmann could effectively fight her way into the dialogue. metaphorically she got more questions but it's incumbent among the candidates to fight their way in. she did at bat as well as she did in the first debate in new hampshire that got her so much attention. but the expectations are different now. we don't look at her as a weak candidate and her performance doesn't surprise people. but it's not good enough. she passed up opportunities to contrast herself with the other candidates, the current trajecto trajectory for her is not one that's going to keep her in the game. she's going to have to need to be stronger in the debates and force herself in the dialogue, which she did not do last night. >> it looks like a two-horse race, mark halperin thanks for getting up early. see you in a few moments on "morning joe." twitter lighting up last night. some of the experts talking about winners and losers. mike murphy, the political consultant, our good friend, summed up rick perry's performance this way. perry very good on gop primary in offense.
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total stumble bum on defense. again i ask, how does he win a general election. that's from mike murphy, a republican. from an obama spokesman, bill burton taking a jab at perry. tweeting who wishes rick perry had skipped this debate more? michele bachmann or rick perry? and the new yorker ryan tweeted, i'm sure someone has said this already, but maybe sarah palin is the big winner tonight. ryan lizza posing that question. former vice president dick cheney weighed in on the 2012 race ahead of last night's debate. in an interview with abc news, cheney suggested there is one person who could be a successful challenger to president obama. on the democratic side. >> hillary clinton is a pretty formidable individual and i think she's probably the most competent person they've got in their cabinet. and frankly, i thought she was going to win the nomination last time around. maybe there will be enough
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ferment in the democratic party, so that there will be a primary on that side. >> cheney suggesting the secretary of state might primary, or should primary her own president. even though clinton has not said she would run. he said cheney did, quote, it's not a bad idea. and when it comes to the republican field, cheney says he does not plan to endorse anyone until much later on in the campaign. let's turn to some business now. bank stocks gave a big boost to the markets yesterday. big gains on the dow. the first gain for the month of september. let's get a look at today's market as we get all up in your business. cnbc's geoff cutmore in london. >> they certainly did. we thought three days into september, the month was already a whitewash, a white-out and then we got this turn-around. we saw the dow up over 2%, the s&p up over 3%. the market has a few things going on today, not least obama
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talking about the jobs program, will it be $300 billion thrown at the economy to create jobs? and we've got two central bank meetings in europe, the bank of england, some chatter about whether there is another qe ii package down the road and whether the european central bank will step back from its trait-tightening cycle. markets here higher, it looks like you're going to start the trading day higher. traders a little bit nervous about what these decisions might bring today. back to you. >> geoff, thanks. the dow up 275 yesterday, we'll see how it does today. still ahead on "way too early," extreme weather everywhere you look, fires in texas and floods up and down the east coast as the relentless rain continues to fall. we'll have the latest with bill karins in a minute. plus, how bad is peyton manning's injury, we know for sure it's bad enough to force him to miss his first start in 13 years. is it bad enough to keep him out even longer? maybe much longer? details, when "way too early" comes back.
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just about ak 45 in the morning as we look at yet another rainy picture of times square, we could put that thing on a loop. a lot more extreme weather out there as fires continue to burn in texas, the remnants of tropical storm lee move north, prompting flood warnings up and down the east coast. with more we go to nbc
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meteorologist bill karins. good morning. >> good morning, willie, an historic morning for flooding on these rivers. there's so many beautiful small river towns outside of the big cities from d.c. all the way up to boston, and the suburbs areas and going into pennsylvania, the delaware river, the susquehana, the connecticut river valley, the hudson river valley. all of those areas, people are struggling this morning, it's just pouring rain once again. the worst of it last night. western maryland got hit hard, water rescues taking place there. and now we're focusing further north. we had nine inches of rain in the last 48 hours in binghamton new york. it sits in the valley and the susquehana river flows through it. we're looking at historic flooding, 45,000 people live there and 10,000 are under mandatory evacuations, the water is supposed to rise today, a foot over the barrier that protect the town. the water is coming into downtown binghamton. we have to follow the susquehana all the way down through the small towns in the scranton
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wilkes-barre area. we have flash flood warnings covering all of the state of new jersey, philadelphia, flash flood warnings meaning that right now there's life-threatening water problems in those areas, not to mention the river problems coming later. the heavy rain continues out there. three tropical systems, katia is not going to affect us, tropical storm nate in the gulf and then maria, we still have to watch. the first storm is going to become a hurricane in the gulf. this one, as of now, looks like maybe south texas, but most likely mexico and then maria, we're going to have to deal with in about five or six days from now. as of now, willie, we're still hoping this one takes the big hook and follow a storm system similar to katya. but a storm track almost like irene is possible, too. it's a lot going on. right now the problem is the flooding in southern new york and pennsylvania. >> when does the rain stop? >> it will get slowly better
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today and typical showers and thunderstorms, these tropical downpowers will end after today. >> let's hope so, bill karins, thanks so much. time for sports now, the nfl season kicks off tonight. at long last, there's no lockout, we got football. saints and packers, taking on the defending super bowl champion, green bay packers, you can catch the game tonight at nbc at 8:30 p.m. eastern. remember the president of the united states is getting off television in time for this one. and, just in time for the start of the season, forbes annual list of the nfl's most valuable teams, topping the list for the fifth straight year, the dallas cowboys. worth an estimated $1.8 billion. following them on the list, the skins, patriots, giants, and the houston texans. speaking of texans, they kick off their season this sunday against afc divisional rival, the indianapolis colts, and the colts will be playing without quarterback peyton manning who will miss the first start of his nfl career, due to a slow
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recovery from off-season neck surgery. he started every game under center for the colts since september 6th, 1998, 13 years ago. manning snaps a streak of 227 consecutive starts. including the postseason. brett favre holds the record with 321 consecutive starts. and there's at least one unconfirmed report out of indianapolis, that manning could miss perhaps many more games than just the one this weekend. turning now to baseball, brewers and cardinals in st. louis, chris carpenter on his way to a complete game shutout, ninth inning, gets the strikeout. niger morgan not going to go quietly. he says something and tosses his tobacco or gum in the direction of carpenter and then morgan gave him a little jaw with albert pujols, no punches thrown. carpenter finishes the game, just some pushing. the cards win 2-0. they remain six and a half games behind atlanta in the wild card race. and well behind the brewers in
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the division. red sox and jays in toronto, eighth inning, jays down a run with the bases loaded. jose bautista draws the walk. a second run walked in by the boston pitcher, daniel bard. ex-batter, he had win encar nation doubles to center. the red sox blow an opportunity because the yankees lost earlier in the day to the orioles, to new york stays two and a half games up on boston in the a.l. east. and because you asked for it, a soccer highlight from egypt, a lesson on what not to do during a penalty kick, when you pull this off it looks good, when you do that, it doesn't. on the attempt, trikes to fake the goalie with the old stop and start, and instead, trips himself up and the ball rolls gently into the goalkeeper's hands. the referee awarded amir a yellow card for disregarding the opponent after the game. after the game the coach said
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the player needs more experience, that's all. coming up at the top of the hour on "morning joe," rick perry gets his hands dirty in his first presidential debate, doubling down on his allegation that social security is a ponzi scheme. taking shots for mitt romney and pretty much everybody else on the stage. we break it down in a few minutes. and we'll huddle up around the water cooler to check in with our old friend, the indonesian smoking baby. where is he now? as has he stayed off the cigs? [ drew ] give me volume. not clumps or gaps. the answer... it's all in the wrap. covergirl introduces new lashperfection mascara. "the secret" -- the lashwrap brush perfectly wraps each lash for up to 3x more volume.
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in the state of texas, if you come into our state, and you kill one of our children, you kill a police officer, you're involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens, you will face the ultimate justice in the state of texas. and that is, you will be executed. >> you will be executed. texas governor rick perry in a memorable moment from last night's republican presidential debate at the reagan library in california. perry has overseen more executions than any other governor in modern history. tell your friends that texas has held 234 executions since rick
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perry became governor ten years ago. more than the next two states, oklahoma and virginia combined. that's since the death penalty was restored in 1976. the combined total for oklahoma and virginia, a mere 205 executions. let's huddle up around the water cooler to get more rick perry, you can't get enough, he was the real star of the debate last night, talking about climate change and science, he continued his skepticism of the science of climate change. asked if he believes that climate change is actually happening. >> when you make comments, that fly in the face of what 98 out of 100 climate scientists have said. when you call into question the science of evolution, all i am saying is that in order for the republican party to win, we can't run from science. we can't run from mainstream conservative philosophy. we've got to win voters. >> the science is not settled on this. the idea that we would put
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americans' economy at jeopardy, based on scientific theory that's not settled yet, to me is just, is nonsense. and i tell somebody, i said just because you have a group of scientists that have stood up and said here is the fact, galileo got outvoted for a spell. >> any time you can name-check a 17th century astronomer -- >> were you there? mike barnacle was there. >> we spent a lot of time getting to know this youngster. he was a 2-year-old when he took up smoke on his small island in indonesia. he handles it like a veteran. as you know, this video went completely viable and a nice therapist took up the cause and helped the young boy quit. how is he doing now? he's four years old and the
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folks at abc dispatched a crew to check in on him. >> aldi? are you aldi? hi. i'm dan. how you doing, little dude. what's happening? these are some sweet glasses you got here. >> that's very nice, aldi, thank you. where you going? where you going? >> aldi just bolted. they went all the way to indonesia to interview him and he just bolted. he's got the mullet and the shades, a young kim jong il, looking good. still ahead, your delightful tweets and emails, and "morning joe" just moments away.
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